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Michigan Conference of Seventh-day Adventists

Godhead Questions and Answers

Daniel Scarone

Godhead Questions and Answers- Part 1

Godhead Questions and Answers- Part 2

Pioneers and the Trinity- Part 2

Father in heaven, thank you for this day, the blessing of the rain, and help those with difficulties for the rain too.

And bless us today in this moment in which we are going to talk about pioneers of our church, their beliefs, and their transition in history.

Let me share with you that I'm a little bit concerned for the yesterday situation, and I have to excuse or apologize for that.

Let's put our phones on mute, at least for the presentation, if it's possible.

Because I am a little bit concerned about certain things that are happening.

However, I'm going to continue with the presentation of the topic today, with good spirit, I will say.

Even with detecting that sometimes in our auditorium, there are some people with different views, you know.

And I am a little bit concerned for that and I am praying for that situation.

Because we need to have, I guess, compassion, loving kindness, and a good spirit in treating with the differences.

However, there are some details that are becoming a little bit of concern for me in the way in which some people are behaving in this kind of situation, because some are bringing the situation to a confrontation.

And even when you are trying to deal with the Bible on your hand, or showing the Bible and telling with the Bible, and even with that, there are no, you know, kind of understanding.

Yesterday, for example, I've been, and I am, by the way, a slow reaction person.

I am not reacting immediately, but after that, I began to think, how in the world can it be that way?

Yesterday in the afternoon, we were discussing about the, let's go to the Bible, Matthew 28 verses 18 and 19.

Or let me explain clearly this, or non-Trinitarian view or anti-Trinitarian view are attacking the Bible.

And Jesus came and said to them, all authority is theirs in heaven and on earth as it is in heaven.

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.

That said, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Yes, and when you are over there, the text is with no question about in the name singular of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Yesterday I mentioned And I brought for that purpose 1 Novo Testament Greek and with what we call the critical apparatus.

And 1 of the persons here began to question about what kind of Greek was that.

And at the beginning, you know, I accept, I was confused yesterday for the question.

But when you go to the dynamic of the process, all the codexes, all the codex were numbered.

All the papyrus and manuscripts were numbered.

And When there is a variance or a change or in 1 version says a different thing, you are going to find out immediately that it is in the notes.

And in the notes says very clearly, there is in this version says, eternally, forever, or something with quote.

And they say, in this says this, in this other says this, in P43 says this way, in P19 says this way.

But when you go there, there is no differences.

So then the question is why you are going to attack the Bible to support your version?

So, that is something that for me I would say, hey, this is non-Christian.

Whatever it is, that is not a Christian attitude.

Because the evidence, I am bringing the evidence that I do have regarding that, and I am sharing the same, because we need to grow up.

So what we are doing in the morning, and if you have any questions regarding that, please do it.

And there is a paper, and in the afternoon we are dealing with questions, okay?

Yesterday in the morning we collected some questions, And we are going to be dealing with that in the afternoon.

Of course, in the morning, we are dealing with a history of the Seventh-day Adventist evolution of the doctrines.

In the 18s, especially between 1846 and 1888 or 1898, those range of times, the position of the charge in general was a kind of or non-Trinitarian or anti-Trinitarian.

Because Uriah Smith, for example, he moved from a former position.

And in 1981, Uriah Smith, that used to be an editor of our, in those days, official paper, he wrote and changed the position of Jesus as begotten and not created.

Somebody asked me about the question about begotten.

Begotten means that was made, that is the involvement.

And for example, 1 of the things that it is, and this is my observation regarding this, because in the Catholicism, in the Catechism, and this is a quotation of the Catechism, and here is the product coming from Libreria di Trici Vaticana that means the library or the bookstore of the Vatican and by the way this is a former pope that was working the catechism.

And this is the quotation of the catechism, page 65.

Since the Father has through generation given the only begotten Son everything that belongs to the Father except being the Father.

The Son has also eternally from the Father from whom he is eternally born that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son.

So technically here, summary, the Catholic Church teaches that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son, and the Son from the Father.

So, sometimes when somebody are attacking our church or telling what we believe based upon the name Trinity, and say, hey, look guys, you are in the same position like Catholicism.

I will say, No, this is the position of Catholicism.

I am not a prophet nor a son of a prophet, okay, but I am not going to say nothing similar to that because in the Bible you are not going to find out that thing and we need to be careful regarding that.

The evidences regarding the Godhead in the Old Testament and in the New Testament are very clear for me.

And 1 of them, for example, let me share with you, because some people say, And yesterday I've been sharing with you guys some things.

So, let me share with you something that is in the book of Isaiah.

In 48, Book of Isaiah, Chapter 48, verses 12 through 16.

I'm sorry for bringing my kind of electronic Bible, you know.

And Olga is right about that but she's kind also.

Well that's a problem sorry for that we were giving thanks for the rain and also praying for those who suffer it.

So let's go to the Bible and let's read this.

The Bible says here, Hearken unto me, O Jacob, and Israel, my colt.

Now the speaker began to identify himself.

So when the speaker is telling that it's the first or the last, your mind normally is going to other places in the Bible, searching, in several places.

And comes immediately the book of Revelation.

My hand also had laid the foundation of the earth.

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